Can We Be Colorblind
in Our Classrooms?

A MiddleWeb Listserv conversation


Ellen Berg's book recommendation, "A White Teacher Talks About Race", by Julie Landsman, led to a series of soul-searching comments from MiddleWeb list members.

Landsman is a 25-year veteran of Minneapolis mostly urban schools. The book is set up as reflections about a day at her school (actually a composite of many days). She is reflective and honest about her prejudices and how it affects the

interactions she has with her students. She includes many short excerpts from literature, prominent figures, and in many ways, this book feels a lot like "Mosaic". I highly recommend it!

One quote that has me thinking..."I know there is a history of benign racism among white teachers in all-black classrooms, but I believe this can change."(p. x) That phrase, "benign racism," really hits home. Even in our best intentions, we are human, and we carry with us a myriad of prejudices and assumptions cultivated by our personal experiences (or lack thereof...).

She definitely offers a lot of food for thought. Her voice is earnest, thoughtful, and real. The publisher is Scarecrow Press, and I bought it at Barnes & Noble.

Ellen

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IF YOU order it from Scarecrow Press on-line, you get a 15% discount. Go to:

http://www.scarecrowpress.com/

and enter "white teacher" in the search.

-John

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Deb introduced the term "colorblind," an expression that will continue to appear throughout this string.

Ellen -- I will order the book. Thanks for the tip! Maybe the label "benign" will help folks to look at their practice. The biggest problem I have encountered in trying to deal with issues of racial & cultural differences is defensiveness. Colleagues keep asserting that they are colorblind and therefore incapable of bias toward children.

Have others had experience with this line of thinking? Lots of really dedicated folks seem to hold this point of view and it is blocking our reform efforts.

Deb Bambino

[NOTE: Deb also keeps a diary at MiddleWeb and has addressed this subject frequently.]

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Stacey was intrigued by the term "colorblind." Is it possible, she asked?

I am intrigued by the idea of being colorblind in the classroom. Can we actually be colorblind and be effective teachers? Does failing to be colorblind mean that we feel ill will, disrespect, uneasiness, or apprehension towards another race or culturally different group of people? Perhaps as concerned teachers, we need to be aware of cultural differences and the varying experiences our students might have because of their cultural backgrounds.

The majority of my students in my very culturally diverse school are Americanized. The student body in my school consists of working class white children, first generation Indian and Chinese children, and many Latino children. Within these groups are many similarities and many differences.

Additionally, among one particular group I might find more differences than similarities concerning their 'Americanization' or the rate the children have saturated the more obvious culture.

Maybe what we have to do is learn how to treat each student fairly and with respect towards his or her culture. Needless to write, I am not without my own cultural issues in the classroom. Additionally, I am struggling with my students and their use of gay as an insult.

-Stacy

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Ellen replied to Deb's comments:

Deb,

Landsman actually talks about those very issues. She says that our students desperately want to discuss the prejudices they observe and experience while the adults in their lives steadily sweep it under the carpet and refuse to talk about race. I, for one, do not believe it is possible to be "colorblind"...in fact, I think that may actually work against us in the end. My African-American students ARE different in regard to culture, and understanding their particular culture a little better has helped me be a better teacher to them.

I know my prejudices, and I am actively working against them every day. We all develop prejudices over our lives....from the media, our parents, our experiences, the way we are treated or see others treated...it's a natural thing. The key is to confront our prejudices, make them a part of our consciousness, and then not act on them. It's difficult, but it is essential if we want to be fair in our treatment of everyone.

The first year I was at Turner, I was the only white person in the whole school, students or staff. I experienced for the first time in my life what it was like to be the minority, to be treated differently (unfairly by some), and distrusted. Over time and a lot of proving who I am and what I am about, I have earned the trust and respect of my colleagues and the community. It wasn't easy, but I suspect it was easier for me than it would be if the situation was reversed and I was the only African-American teacher in an all white school.

My first year my students questioned me about my culture...I found their beliefs funny, but quite sincere. My students believed that I must like country music because ALL white people like country music...I had to set them straight on that! One child asked me if white people smelled like dogs when they got wet because his brother had told him that (there was no disrespect intended...this was a very honest question...). I told him I had never noticed such a thing, but that it might be possible for some people to have that odor. They appreciated my honesty and willingness to talk about these things.

I do not wish to be colorblind, but I do wish to be free of the prejudices associated with color, creed, or country. I so love the diverse cultures of my students; they teach me more about life every day and open me up to new experiences.

Ellen Berg
Turner Middle
St. Louis, MO

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Bill Ivey wrote to say that, over time, he had reached the same conclusion reached by Ellen -- that is impossible to be "colorblind."

I've had experience with this line of thinking in many forms, not just racial bias, but gender, sexuality, etc. etc. etc. Over time, I have come around to share Ellen's opinion that it is impossible to be colorblind - and thus, to my way of thinking, impossible not have a variety of prejudices. Feminist consciousness-raising of the 60s and 70s started me down this path, and my experience living in a nearly 50% gay dorm (including my roommate) plus learning about my father's work with multicultural counseling continued the journey.

My father has given workshops in various school systems, mostly local, and believes that if you make an effort to identify, understand and value the cultures of every single person present, including those which have historically dominated, you have more of a chance to reach people than if you focus only on certain cultures.

My own belief is this type of experience would help with gender bias too, and indeed all forms of prejudice. At my school, a recent poster display of 9th graders' personal "9 circles of hell" consigned homosexuals to one girl's 5th circle, resulting in a flare-up of tensions related to prejudice in general. Their English teacher, a wonderful woman, finally defused the situation by leading a discussion wherein students were allowed to speak about their own personal experiences with prejudice and how those had affected the kids' points of view. As one girl said, "We still don't necessarily agree, but at least we understand where everyone else is coming from." That would reinforce what Ellen said about Landsman's ideas and kids wanting to talk about these issues.

At the same time, we can't guarantee results: part of understanding where someone comes from is recognizing that their life experience might make it particularly hard for them to see and/or let go of a given prejudice. At that point, I don't see what you can do except love them and hope your positive example affects them in some way. I have a student who said during this tense period that no one could ever convince him that homosexuality is ok. All I could think of to say was that I respect that he has the right to his own opinion, but that I have gay friends and relatives and would prefer that they not be put down in my presence. So far, he has respected my wishes, and we continue to have a strong relationship.

I could type for hours on this subject, but have schoolwork to do despite the fact that we have our second straight snow day tomorrow.

Bill

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Joanne suggested that in telling our own stories, we will come to an understanding about not only our differences, but also our similarities.

How I wish I hadn't been raised colorblind. I grew up in the Air Force in the 50's and 60's. Blacks had been fully integrated, and, at least from my childish perspective, I saw no differences and my parents taught us the same. My family's best friends were Sgt. and Mrs. Archer. What stories they could have told us, if only we hadn't been raised to not see their color. Sgt. Archer was one of the Tuskegee airmen in WWII

(see http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1350/ )

and therefore, instrumental in the full acceptance and integration of Black men in the military. Thankfully, there are many good websites that can educate us these days, but I look back and wonder how many firsthand accounts of such history-making did I miss out on hearing because it was considered impolite to notice our "differences"? Also, what a resource our friends could have been if, during the Civil Rights Movement in the 60's, I had interviewed them for a school current events project. So many lost educational opportunities.

I am so grateful that we are learning to celebrate this nation's cultural diversity. Each one of us has any number of stories to tell. Perhaps by encouraging those tellings, we can prevent any more school killings like Columbine and yesterday's. We have to start somewhere, whether it is celebrating our skin color, our country of origin, our body type (the shooter yesterday was ridiculed for being a "shrimp"), or whatever makes us unique or different.

-Joanne

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Joanne,

Thank you for the website on the Tuskegee Airmen! I absolutely agree with you on the idea of accepting and celebrating all sorts of diversity. Height, weight, age, and even hair types (a big one in middle school) are all features that students use to crush or flatter one another. I hate seeing this at school.

-Stacy

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Susan (who's a principal) found this conversation helpful when she needed to respond to a parent concern:

I have appreciated the conversation about issues of racial and cultural differences. I also work with many who maintain that they are colorblind and therefore incapable of bias. They are very sensitive and as they protest their neutrality also confirm their lack of it. Truly, it is impossible not to notice differences and as humans we react based on our unique perspectives, which come from experience.

When Deb wrote of benign racism, I winced. Not only did I see myself but others. I too, will order Landsman book. Thank you to all of you who addressed this issue and who commented that understanding cultural differences will lead to our being better teachers when we drop defensiveness about this issue and work consciously on our prejudices. I received a letter yesterday from a parent who asserts that our school has a reputation of not being racially tolerant and overlooking and downplaying the achievements of African American students. The writer continued that we had a silently racially polarized tone. My first instinct was to dispute these allegations. After reading this week postings and rolling them over in my mind, I think the more productive response is to consider honestly if these assertions may be so in part and the degree to which they may actually exist. Then I need to think what I can do differently. Despite my strongest efforts to be fair to all, I have to stay open to possible failings and redouble my efforts to ensure equity for all children in my charge.

-Susan

[NOTE: Susan Fedor also writes a diary for MiddleWeb and took up this same topic in an entry titled "The specter of racism."]

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Mary Anne points out the importance of understanding various differences in cultures and how these differences can affect our interaction with students in the classroom.

This discussion has intrigued me. I think Stacy really hit a nerve when she talked about being culturally aware rather than colorblind. I have always tried to celebrate the diversity I find in my classroom and in my colleagues rather than looking for differences. Several years ago, I took a course titled "Being Culturally Responsive Educators." It opened my eyes to differences in culture--things like Native American students don't look their elders in the eye as a form of respect. How many times have teachers unknowingly asked kids to look directly at them not knowing the differences in culture? There are so many of those positive differences. Working together we find the strength of all.

There is a fabulous book titled "Awakening the Genius of Black Children". It again focuses on celebrating the culture of children. I don't think that being colorblind supports anyone. When I cast plays--I am colorblind. In the classroom--I celebrate our diverse cultures through respect. -

Mary Anne


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Satinder Hawkins shared a minority perspective:

This is a fascinating topic. In the classes I'm taking for my master's, the issue of being colorblind has come up a lot. I always understood this arguement to mean that we treat everyone the same...which of course makes perfect humanitarian sense. However, in the many readings I've done, what becomes clear is that this issue is very much the way white teachers/people in general approach the issue.

I myself am a minority, but the issue of race has always been uncomfortable for me. I used to feel terrible about even referring to someone as black or Hispanic, as if it was uttering an obscenity. However, for minorities, there is a feeling that they are treated differently, and it is because of their race. Their race has impacted the way the world views and treats them.

For example, white people see images of themselves everywhere as being an unspoken norm. They view people like themselves on tv, in magazines, in movies on a regular basis. However, minorities very rarely (although this is changing!) see positive self images. Imagine what it would be like if every representation of society showed people who were black or brown! A lot of great sociological work on this issue. I love this topic. It is such a great learning experience for me.

Satinder
Long Beach, CA

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John shares an article that illustrates how racial issues continue to affect what happens in the classroom.

This recent story from the New York Times seems to me to speak to the issues of color and schools. Here's a key quote:

"One study looked, for instance, at the breakdown by state, and found that in Connecticut, North Carolina, Mississippi and South Carolina black students were four times as likely as whites to be in special education."

I'm less proud to report that I was born in SC and live in NC! In case you think this is only about poverty, read on....

-John

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March 3, 2001
New York Times

Study Points to Racial Slant in Special Education

By KATE ZERNIKE

Black students are three times as likely as white students to be labeled "mentally retarded" or "emotionally disturbed" and put in special education classes, where they are less likely to end up with high school diplomas or a quality education, according to a set of studies released yesterday.

The 14 studies, commissioned by the Civil Rights Project at Harvard, outline ways in which black and Hispanic students receive a poorer, more segregated education. Minority children who need special education often end up with less than they need, they said, and many others who do not need services are pushed into special classes anyway.

"To the extent that minority students are misclassified, segregated or inadequately served, special education can contribute to a denial of equality of opportunity, with devastating results in communities throughout the nation," the authors said in a preface to the studies.

Nationwide, about 11 percent of students are classified as needing special education, which includes students with a range of disabilities, from depression and anxiety to autism and severe mental retardation.

Statistics have shown for years that black students are more likely to be classified as disabled and placed in special education. But the authors of the studies, who were spurred to do the work after complaints about special education from black educators and parents at an N.A.A.C.P. conference, said this was the first time the statistics had been examined so widely or so intricately.

One study looked, for instance, at the breakdown by state, and found that in Connecticut, North Carolina, Mississippi and South Carolina black students were four times as likely as whites to be in special education. As the number of Hispanic students grows, they, too, are disproportionately being put in special education, another study found.

While the overrepresentation of black students has often been explained as a consequence of poverty, the studies said that even among black and white students whose parents have high income and education levels, the black students were more likely to be in special education.

"The data shows quite unambiguously the intensity of the problem," said Gary Orfield, co-director of the Civil Rights Project. "Special education and civil rights have tended to be separated to a considerable degree. But special ed is a civil rights issue; minority treatment within special ed is a civil rights issue."

The researchers say the problems are likely to increase as states embrace tougher tests for graduation. Many states do not require special- education students to take those tests, so classifying students as disabled is a way to raise scores. One criticism of the testing program embraced by President Bush when he was governor of Texas has been that a high percentage of special-education students did not take the tests.

"There's a huge problem being swept under the carpet," Professor Orfield said.

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Stacy responds to the New York Times article:

I did not see mention in the NY Times article that black males, more often than black females, are the students being recommended for special education services. I might be wrong, but I think I read in the AAUW report several years ago that minority females are under-recommended for special education services.

While I was working on my MEd. at NCSU, I devoured the school profiles for Wake County (Raleigh area.). Several elementary schools had a more than disturbing number of their black students in special education classes. I began this research project after a black, female student of mine from "the country" (as my NC students used to say) had a severe language deficit that was never addressed during her K-12 years.

By the time she reached my freshman composition class three or four years ago, her writing was unintelligible -- I don't just mean bad writing. She certainly could have benefited from a resource room or/and English class with in class support. Perhaps she was neglected due to her race.

-Stacy

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The Harvard Civil Rights Project has just posted their report on special education placements at:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/civilrights/conferences/SpecEd/moreinfo.html

-John

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Satinder shared a breakthrough in racial understanding from her own classroom:

After I had done a lot of reading on this issue I tried something I've never done in my classroom. Over the course of a lesson (dealing with adaptations people make based on geography) I mentioned my own dark skin color.

I pointed out that most Indians (from India) are dark and much of this is probably a result of adapting to a sunny climate. I pointed out how my (white) students' skin color was different than mine and explained that this too was an adaptation as most of their ancestors were probably from Europe.

Most of my students are white so I could see they were a little squirmy. However, I did this several times (when appropriate to the lesson of course!) over the next few months. Now, I notice that my black students are very comfortable talking about their color. It has been quite wonderful.

We recently did an activity about the Crusades where the students had to wear masks of various Crusaders. One of my black students colored her Eleanor of Aquitaine mask's face black! She and I both laughed about it. I told her that Eleanor was in fact white, but it was okay because most of the other kids had painted the darker, Arab masks white! It feels good to be liberated from the discomfort of speaking about skin color.

-Satinder

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Several teachers discussed terms like, "First Generation" and "Americanized" which Stacy used earlier in the conversation:

Melba wrote:


Exactly what does "first generation..." mean? Who is Americanized, the Latino children? Are these students Americans- born in the US? If they are, then they are NOT Americanized, they ARE American. Regardless of whether our students are newcomers to our country, or are not white Anglo Saxon students, I think as educators, we should begin to rid ourselves of the "color" thing and think ethnically diverse. We must recognize the fact that we live in a country of varying ethnicities and should validate our students' cultures. In order to accomplish this task, we must learn and understand our students' customs and traditions. The U.S. is a "salad bowl" of people from many ethnicities and not a "melting pot." We do not need to assimilate into one culture. We can co-exist with one another and still maintain our heritage.

Satinder replied:

I think when Stacy mentions "Americanized" rather than "American" she is referring to a process that my colleagues and I have noticed as well. We actually even sometimes joke about it. If you have taught a mixture of students who are just purely and simply American alongside those students who are becoming Americanized you probably know what this means.

I hate to sound anti-American (trust me, I'm not; I cry at silly commercials that have the flag; people think I'm weird...) but American children are more self centered, less respectful of adults and their authority, etc. Children becoming Americanized are leaving traditional cultural traits such as respect for elders behind as they become assimilated. Sometimes it's a shame to see this, but in education in California the process goes on all the time.

And Stacy commented:

Thank you, Satinder, for clarifying the definition of "Americanized." I would never deny anybody the right to claim himself or herself as being American, even if they were born in another country.

By using the term "Americanized," I am implying that many children and adults who might be first generation or even immigrant Americans are incorporating American values and traditions into their lives.

I would also like to congratulate you on your decision to be intolerant of intolerance. I agree!

-Stacy

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Anne shared a classroom resource that will help educators work towards reducing intolerance:

I hope everyone is aware of Teaching Tolerance, a quarterly publication from the Southern Poverty Law Center. It is full of successful classroom/community efforts to combat intolerance, lots of references to other resources. SPLC also has other resources, such as "Ten Ways to Fight Hate."

http://www.splcenter.org/teachingtolerance/tt-index.html

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As the conversation began to wrap up, Joanne wrote:

Dear Middlewebbers,

I just stumbled over some old quotes I had saved from somewhere.

I'm not against the blacks, and a lot of the good blacks will attest to that. --Evan Mecham, then governor of Arizona

We may be finding that in some blacks, when the choke hold is applied, the veins or arteries do not open up like in normal people. --Daryl Gates, former L.A. police chief.

I thought they were apropos of this discussion and trust we can all ruefully shake our heads and pray we are more enlightened. If we are not, I pray we get fired.

Joanne


Another Related MiddleWeb listserv conversation


This conversation string took place a couple of months before the conversation transcribed above. The topic was "Racism and Prejudice" and the comments parallel the more recent chat, although they focus more on student attitudes.


The conversation began when Annie Bianchetti wrote:

Hello all, I hope people don 't mind me introducing a new topic. I'd like some feedback and discussion on racism and prejudice you've witnessed in your students.

I teach in an inner city and my students are 100% minority. The largest percentage is African American and then the rest are Latino.

I'm disturbed by the racial slurs I've heard expressed by both groups towards the other. I teach social studies and in my class we talk about how all through history one group or another has been unfairly catagorized and discrimminated against, especially black people.

Despite these lessons, and despite my minority students experiencing racism in their lives, they still use it to insult others. For example:

-- When someone gets good grades they are insulted by being told they are "acting white".

--The Afrian Americans use Latino racial slurs and the Latinos black racial slurs against each other

--We have a new teacher this year who is from India. The kids refuse to respect her, one even saying to her face that it was because of her race. They openly mock her accent.

--And most surprising, on report card night we had parents, PARENTS!, disrespect this Indian teacher because of her race and accent as well! They yelled at her and called her a "stupid Indian" in front of other students! Needless to say, this teacher went home in tears.

Does anyone else experience this? Is this normal for middle school students to do as they learn about and express who they are in contrast to others and they will outgrow it? What can we do as a school to handle this?

Ideas welcome!

Annie,
Paterson, NJ
Social Studies.

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Nancy Long replied:

Annie, I teach in the inner city too, but it's not a very big city (about 350K population). Our school demographics are about 95% Hispanic of Mexican descent, 5% African American, and maybe one or two Anglo students in the school. It's the poorest neighborhood in the city.

Though many students come homes where there are gang affiliations, drugs, crime, and other problems, the problems you mention don't occur at anywhere like the levels you described in your school.

If a student uses any profanity or racial slur toward another student in our school, he/she is placed in the in-school suspension center for one to three days according to the severity of the offense. If a student should utter profanity or a racial slur toward any adult at school, he/she is suspended and may not return to school without a parent conference.

How does your administration respond to the racial slurs? How do the teachers respond?

Don't know what can be done about the root cause of the racism, which (as we all remember from the song in South Pacific)"you've got to be carefully taught", but you can lay down the law in your classroom and enforce the policy that this room is a SAFE place for everyone who enters.

There is no room for ANY kind of put-downs, name-calling, or criticism. If one of my kids says something to put down another kid, I call the offender aside (or not) and say, "I am not going to let anyone in this room talk to you like that. You are safe here. And I am not going to let you talk to anyone else like that either. Fair enough?"

Good luck, Annie.

Nancy Long

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G Cepela offered this idea:

One of our best ideas here in Illinois is to do exchange schools. We have a rural MS exchange with deep inner city. Each group visits the other group for one day. This takes real courage on both parts but we have the most resistance in the rural area. We don't force anyone to go to Chicago but all enjoy when the keds form Chicago come here. It is a real eyeopener for kids who have never been out of a 20 mile radius of their school.

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Leighann M Fuller shared some thoughts in her first post to the list:

Annie,

I'm fairly new to the list and I haven't really posted anything yet, but after reading this post, I felt compelled to share my experiences at my school. I teach in an inner-city school in St. Louis, Missouri. Before the school became a magnet school, and before I came, the school was 100% African-American. With the coming of the new magnet program, the school's faculty and students became integrated racially, with about 95% or more still African-American.

I have not experienced the kind of treatment you described. Going into this teaching assignment, I feared my students would hate me because I am white, but what I realized, was my fairness and desire to help them led them to forget I was a "color" and we saw each other as people.

I have not experienced any poor treatment like you mentioned about the Indian teacher. A teacher at our school is Filipino, and the kids love him to death because he is teaching meaningful things. The students on my team say the (teachers they do not like) are unfair, and base grades on attitude and behavior alone -- whatever race they may be.

One student who called another student "white trash" was suspended (this incident did not occur in my classroom). When I hear my African-American students call each other inappropriate things (the N word), my response usually is as follows: "If your mother walked in here and I was calling you that word, how would she react?" Sometimes they argue that it's okay, but they eventually come around and see it my way. I tell them if I cannot use the word without offending someone, it's an unacceptable word in the classroom regardless of the intent.

I don't know if this helps at all. All I wanted you to know is this activity on this grand scale does not seem 'normal' to me. The kids need to know this is NOT acceptable. I doubt they will outgrow it unless someone gets a hold of them. Your staff is going to have to stay on top of this problem and discuss strategies to combat racism in your school.

Leighann Fuller

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Satinder Hawkins replied to Annie this way:

I've been thinking about Ann B.'s comments about racism. I myself am Indian so I was particularly struck by the information about the students AND parents making racist comments about the Indian teacher on her site. It is something that I've seen first hand myself.

My first assignment was at a school that was 100 percent Hispanic. I have dark skin so I pretty much blended in with the community. My first few years I was extremely stunned at the level of prejudicial comments the students uttered--directed at every ethnic group from blacks to whites to Asians. Often times the comments were even directed at those of their own ethnicity.

I never got used to it and it didn't make sense to me in any way. However, recently I've returned to college to finish up a masters and I've been doing a lot of readings on issues of race. One of the researchers I've encountered, John Ogbu, discusses the whole issue Annie brings up about African American students. He discusses the idea of academic achivement meaning that an African American student is acting white. His theory, and it's very intersting to read, posits that some of these behaviors, which to us as teachers look very self destructive, are actually forms of resistance and methods of retaining one's cultural identity.

A lot of the current research on race is looking at such resistance theories. One of the most interesting books that I've recently read and would recommend to all of my teaching colleagues in cyber space is by Beverly Tatum and is called Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria? : And Other Conversations About Race. It is a wonderful look at the development of racial identity for ALL students--whether black, white, or whatever. A lot of it is very meaningful to those of us who teach.

-Satinder

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Deb Bambino spun off of Satinder's remarks:

I heard a presentation by Dr. Greg E. Carr from Howard University on Friday and he spoke about the ways we expect students to leave their identities behind them. He said we set up our curricula in ways that do not connect to their experience.

I have read the Beverly Tatum Daniel book that you mentioned and I agree with you that it is very insightful. It made me think about the way I put students into cooperative groups and the way adults grouped themselves at our schools.

I'm wondering what steps members of this list have taken to broaden the curriculum to include multiple perspectives and voices? How much choice do students have in terms of electives, group partners...? Has anyone had any success discussing race and or diversity with students?

Deb

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Annie replied:

Hi, I'm finding in interesting this discussion about cultural resistance. While I agree with some tenets of it, I don't think it's right to excuse poor behavior or school work because of "culture." To me that sounds like racism. As in "this group of kids can't do a certain kind of work because of their culture". As a social studies teacher I include many perspectives and cultures in my teaching. But I also hold my kids to high standards, no matter their color or culture. I know the discussors here did not mean it that way, but I fear that others in the world may do so...and may use it as an excuse for poor performance.

Also: has anyone ever felt like a total failure??? Lately, I have been having a tough time...an extremely tough time, with my 7th graders. Their behaviour has been so off and disrespectful and I've come down hard on them. I know they "don't like" me right now. I don't like them right now....and I don't myself as a teacher when I'm around them right now. I've tried assertive discipline...I've tried a lot of things... ugh. I feel like a poor teacher. I know I could do better in responding to the constant behavior disruptions..I'd like to hear how others have dealt with difficult students/classes. ANd how they dealt with feeling like failures.

Annie

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Jeff Kash replied:

I am having the same problem with one of my 8th grade classes. I think part of the problem is that this group of students have been failures their entire school lives. They all have been in ESL classes. They have taken all the ESL classes we offer. They still cannot pass the test to get into regular classes. So, we are left with underachieving, poor motivated kids. I looked at their reading test scores again today. The average was about third grade. Some go as low as 2nd grade and up to 5th grade. I am certainly not reaching the vast majority of this class. The majority have a D or a fail. I am not the only one to struggle with this group. Most of them fail a lot of their classes. I am going to have to go back to the drawing board and start over again for the second semester.

One of the ideas I have expressed to the bilingual coordinator is that these students never see appropriate behavior. They are tracked together in these classes all day. They never see kids who are succeeding. I have been told that according the the bilingual edicts they can't be put in regular classes until they pass the test. I understand the test is written about the 3rd grade level.

Any suggestions are happily accepted.

Jeff Kash
Madison Middle School

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The conversation prompted Mary Anne to share some experiences from her school:

Ann et al: This is a great thread--has reminded me of a lot of things I take for granted.

The school I teach in is multi-cultural to be sure. We are about 60% African-American, 20%Hispanic and 12% Hatian which leaves very few Caucasian children. Our faculty, by the way, looks about the same demographically.

At the beginning of the year, we had a speaker come and talk to us about being culturally responsive educators--and most of it boiled down to respecting each other and supporting each others' beliefs. But after doing some research we stumbled on a program called "Facing History and Ourselves."

It has kids and teachers look at the history of their families and compare and contrast, write autobiographies, biographies of grandfathers etc and discuss and talk about why we believe what we do. As soon as we get a grant--we have applied for funding through a foundation--we hope to bring the "Facing" people to school to do some intensive training with our teachers.

On another note--Annie, after the last few days, I feel exactly like you do only it isn't the kids who "don't like" me--it's my teachers! I know that it is a fleeting thing and that they hate the pressure high stakes testing puts on us all--they know me and what I stand for and why--they also know I have high expectations--I just don't want to go to work today. Ah well-duty calls

(Principal) Mary Anne

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Stacy wrote about circumstances in her schoo and how she learned about her own students' intolerance:

Like Annie I teach in New Jersey, which is an incredible diverse state ethnically.

About 60% of the kids in my middle school are of eastern and western Euorpean descent. The others are Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern, Indian, or a combination of European and Hispanic descent. They all seemed fairly tolerant to me . . .

During my assertive discipline workshop on Saturday, one of my colleagues informed me that two of my home room kiddies were picking on some Indian children while in science class. I was shocked! Evidently, I was naive.

Currently I am reading West Side Story with my students. My Puerto Rican students were distraught when the Jets used terms such as 'Spic.' Fortunately I have been able to turn their reactions into teachable moments.

I have brought up the fact to my students that many of them (even non-Hispanics) are offended by the racist comments of the characters yet are amused by other derogatory terms such as "faggot" and "pansy."

As the liberal teacher that I am, I preach total tolerance. When I do, however, I fear that I am going to be called on by a parent who does not feel the way I do or ignored by students who are evidently learning their intolerant behavior elsewhere.

So along with Annie, I am asking how we can teach tolerance (even toward blondes and transvestites -- another story.) I also want to know not only how we can do, but if we can do it when so much of our kids' lives are formed at home, by their friends, their past experiences, and the media.

The pessimistic part of me, moreover, does not think they will outgrow it. They might just save it for outside of the class and not be as blatant as Annie's students were.

-Stacy

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Teacher Bill Ivey asked his father, a counselor, for comments on the conversation:

Hi! My father and my stepmother have done a lot of work in the area of counseling and racism (among other things). He taught counseling at the grad school level; she was an elementary school counselor in the Amherst, Massachusetts school system. I asked him for his ideas, and here is a distillation (along with relevant fragments of earlier postings) of what he said. For the record, I used to periodically get chased and dumped in garbage cans when I was in Junior High (useful background for one of his comments). Only one of many reasons why I would never ever under any circumstances want to be that age again!

Take care,

Bill

Bill's dad wrote:

This is a fairly complex and sophisticated issue, so it is hard to write about briefly, but let me try.

Kids are kids are kids... I used to think that they were taught prejudice. Simply put, anyone who is "different" "gets it." You were smaller, brighter, and less aggressive than other kids at the junior high and you "got it." I fear children (and most adults) fear DIFFERENCE.

John Ogbu's (...) theory, and it's very interesting to read, posits that some of these behaviors, which to us as teachers look very self destructive, are actually forms of resistance and methods of retaining one's cultural identity. True and well documented. This is particularly so among African-American males.

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Sue Chanda wrote:

In response to Racism/Resistance-----

I did not realize all the types of racism that our students experience until a tradegy at our school this week. One of our students' father died because of an act of violence. He was from Bosnia, and my student's mother shared with me how they have been made to feel since coming to the US. It is a type of racism that I did not realize was happening. Not only does my student have to deal with the unfortunate death of his father, he has to deal with people who treat him as different.

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And Mary Anne replied:

I am truly sorry for the tragedy suffered by your student and in reality, your whole school.

I highly recommend the material published through Facing History and Ourselves. you can download entire units through the website. The newest addition is "Choosing to Participate." They also have novel units such as Zlata's Diary and many others. Best of Luck!

Mary Anne


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